Imran Khan/Logic

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refugees named their kids sufi mohd. and fazlullah in the camps.
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He says that for years the Taliban in Swat were just students of a local religious leader, Maulana Fazlullah. At first their goals were limited to building a mosque, and locals willingly helped. But he and other residents say the Taliban grew increasingly belligerent as outsiders and criminals joined their ranks. "I think 50 percent of the Taliban are criminals," says Nisar. "They have no jobs, no other opportunities, so they join the Taliban."

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When people decry civilian deaths caused by the U.S. government, they're aiding propaganda efforts. In sharp contrast, when civilian deaths are caused by bombers who hate America, the perpetrators are evil and those deaths are tragedies.

* When they put bombs in cars and kill people, they're uncivilized killers. When we put bombs on missiles and kill people, we're upholding civilized values.

* When they kill, they're terrorists. When we kill, we're striking against terror.

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Halfway through the interview, however, he suddenly added that the Taleban was also being funded and trained by the CIA, Mossad, and India’s RAW intelligence agency. Why? As part of a strategy to carve out an independent statelet in northwestern Pakistan to help to contain China’s growing military and economic power. And to capture Pakistan’s nuclear weapons.
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But while tribal allies such as Zainuddin oppose Mehsud, they also support al-Qaida and fight western troops in Afghanistan. "We have reservations that this is going to work," said a senior western diplomat in Islamabad.
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Excellent interview.
Irrationality of the suicide bomber. Inconsistency of the mullahs.

Lack of logical consistency on all sides.

Excellent Host.
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Malala from Swat admires BB, is not afraid of Talibs and there is video clip of Feb 2009 where Mir interviewed Swat Talibs.
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While some naive ones say tht Talib are followers of saudi regime or wahabi etc...
the opp. is absolutely true.
Here we have a salafi using the same lang about the tals as their enemy.
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 One cannot be an 'authentic' Sufi and commit acts of gross atrocity against
> other human beings. It is a spiritual oxymoron.

This kind of thinking is naive and instrument for mass murder.
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chk the hi lites!!!
imrn khan logic!

imperial pride on the line. they'll never say they're wrong.
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Zardari assured me of Waziristan operation: Brown

LAHORE: British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said President Asif Ali Zardari assured him that Pakistani forces would carry out an operation against the Taliban in South Waziristan, a private TV channel reported on Friday. The channel quoted Brown as saying that Britain would support the operations against the Taliban in Pakistan as the insurgents also posed a serious threat to the UK. He also said strong governments were vital for Afghanistan a
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Great comments by mansoori, concerned am pak

Failue of govt.
Dr SM saying tht NRO led expedient govt. should never ave been aceptable.

Foreign Policy journal leaked some secet parts of report tht Afghn situation worse thn relaized

Gen McChrystal Report differ from Obama admn.
Either convince am people /congress for massive nation bldg.or roll back ur aims.
probs. b/w am civil policy makers and military commanders.
NATO forces will have to come out of their safe havens to fight the extremists. (meaning they have just been bombing.
Gen also said tht Afg civil. casualties much more troublesome thn taliban.
Brit soldiers die to protect karzai (Paul FLynn)

Of 23 bn pounds only 20% reach population. There have been hundreds of new millonaires and billionaires in afghanistan now many in govt. and arzai's family.
Russians says that you Brits are smart. You occupied Afg in 6 days. We too did it in 6 days. We were there for 10 years. Killed millions of afghans, spent billions of rubles, when we left we had 300k afghan mujahideen. Watch you have the same (2001).
Govt havnt been able to solve any probs even SUGAR. Court ruled and businesmen refused to obey.
And the attny gen said we were wrong.

Khalid mirza chairman, was dismissed when he took actions against cement mafia. . This collaboration bw govt. and big business is called mafia.

Dr. Says tht believeing tht somehow automatically something shall come about (meaning let the govt run as it is and democracy shall flourish doesnt seem so).
Zardari on foreigin tours and Sharrif in Saudi on vacation.
China perturbed by US military presence, Blask water everywhere yet govt still denies.

NRO to be discussed in parliament (promise) in 90 days. never happened.

COurt ordered for sugar prices to be lowered, govt. said we cant, let the courts do it lol.
black water hit a policeman, politician and they go about brandising guns.
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Mush Rah e haq to raah e raast

For 3 months, of negotiations, no suicide bombing.

Bajaur, 500k IDPs, no terrorism.

Fauzia Wahab, Ask why did we start operation in Bajaur. LOL So endorsing Busharaf. Didnt they say it wasn't our war to it has become our war.

He's right, Swat was totally different. The mov was going on since 1970's.

In Swat 5k fighters only belonging to 3 diff. groups vs 700k pak military.
In 2007 only 500 Taliban which blossomed after 2007 Swat operation when criminal elements joined in.

IK , poor guy....a scholarly gentle man stuck in a cesspool of incompetent expedient slaves.

OH STFU Ayaz, that Pak didn't surrender sovereignity to US under zardari.
He's of the Zia's mindset. That we shud dpo tougher negotiations w/ uS to milk the cow.

50 bn. dollars lost in pak's war.
STFU Ataz, Swat IDPs tell horror tales of their plight. All thanks to their own and their relatives and other resolve. Govt of punjab and others even refused their entry.
fuck off.
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Jaish-e-Muhammad builds huge base in Bahawalpur

* Inscriptions on walls imply New Delhi, Jews, Hindus being targeted by Jaish
* Security officer describes new compound ‘second centre’ of terrorism

Daily Times Monitor


LAHORE: The Jaish-e-Muhammad has walled off a 4.5-acre compound outside Bahawalpur, according to a report published in The Telegraph on Sunday. However, it added, authorities have ignored the construction despite reports the compound might be a radical madrassa or training camp.

While world attention has been focused on the menace of the Taliban in the northwest of the country, Jaish bases and a string of similar groups in southern Punjab have gone largely unnoticed. Yet Punjabi extremist groups send thousands of recruits to fight British soldiers in Afghanistan, The Telegraph claimed. It said Bahawalpur is a backwater, poor town that is able to function as a centre for ideological indoctrination and terrorist planning due to its isolation.

In Bahawalpur alone, there might be as many as 1,000 madrassas, many of which teach a violent version of Islam to children, who are mostly too poor to go to regular school. Jaish has its headquarters in Bahawalpur and openly runs an imposing madrassa, Usman-o-Ali, in the centre of the town, where it teaches its extremist interpretation of Islam to hundreds of children every year. The group was banned by Pakistan in 2002 and designated a “foreign terrorist organisation” by the US.

Targets: Jaish's new site, about 5km out of Bahawalpur at Chowk Azam, on the main road to Karachi, is much larger, The Telegraph has reported. It said there is evidence it could contain underground bunkers or tunnels, adding it has a fully-tiled swimming pool, stabling for over a dozen horses, an ornamental fountain and even swings and a slide for children – contradicting claims by the group and Pakistani officials that the facility is simply a small farm to keep cattle. On the inside walls, extremist inscriptions are painted, including a warning to “Hindus and Jews”, with a picture of Delhi's historic Red Fort, suggesting the city has been targeted by the group.

A man at the site, who gave his name as Abdul Jabbar and wore a visible ammunition vest under his shirt, would not allow The Telegraph to enter, and suggested it was time for the newspaper to leave. "We're not hiding anything. Nothing happens here. We have just kept some cattle for our milk," he said. The report noted the new facility was known to the regional administration and, with a hefty army cantonment in Bahawalpur, the military would also be aware.

Second centre: The move has, meanwhile, worried some security personnel. One described it as a “second centre of terrorism” designed to complement the existing Jaish madrassa in the middle of town. The officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that Jaish should never have been allowed to buy the land. "It's big enough for training purposes," he added.

Publicly, Pakistani officials insisted the new compound was innocuous and there was no extremist threat in Bahawalpur. Mushtaq Sukhera, the regional police officer (RPO) for Bahawalpur, admitted the Usman-o-Ali madrassa in Bahawalpur “belongs to Jaish”. He said Jaish also owned the facility out of town. “But there's nothing over there except a few cows and horses," he said. "No militancy, no military training is being imparted to students (at Usman-o-Ali)," he said, adding, “There is no problem with militancy (in south Punjab), there's no problem with Talibanisation. It's just media hype.”

However, somewhere between 3,000 and 8,000 men from southern Punjab are currently fighting jihad in Afghanistan or Pakistan's northwestern tribal area, according to independent estimates, said Ayesha Siddiqa, an analyst who has studied the area. Jaish members have also been implicated in the murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl and the bombing of the London transport system in 2005.

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The Taliban exploits this sentiment, and seeks to legitimize its movement by promising better security, quick justice, and a less corrupt government, rather than more roads, schools, and clinics.
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halimullah mehsud: we dont want to fight the army, but we shall if hey force our hand.
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2"20 All paki politicians do politics in the name of representing Islam.

Good points about strange dichotomy betwenn pakisecularism and pakinonsecularism.
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